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Many Americans -- including a great number of journalists and commentators, of late -- question the president's religion or lack thereof.  In particular, as a result of his ongoing praiseful/apologetic speeches about Muslims and their Islamic faith at home and abroad, some wonder if he, himself, is not a MuslimNo, it's not those cough drop guys.  It's Marx and Engels..

 

This is reflected by the results of a recent Pew Poll indicating that as many as one in five Americans believe Obama is a Muslim.  Personally, as a believer that Obama is a Marxist through and through, I don't really see him as a champion of any religion or cause except for state-ist socialism.

 

Furthermore, he is so self-important and narcissistic -- full of himself, as it were -- that it is difficult to see beyond those negative qualities to find any belief in the supremacy of the traditional Christian concept of God. It is even more difficult, therefore, to see the president as being filled with God's Holy Spirit, as Christians believe occurs with acceptance of Jesus as Lord and Saviour.

 

Of course, we are all sinners and, as a convert to Other than when he has reached for some cheap laughs during a media roast, when have you ever heard the president admit to, let alone apologize for, his own human frailties.Christianity myself, I readily confess the possibility that there may be judgmentalism in my opinionated writings about the president. But other than when he has reached for some cheap laughs during a media roast, when did you ever hear the president admit to, let alone apologize for, any of his own human frailties.

 

When you read Obama's own spontaneous remarks about his religion (in the panel to the right) it is obvious that, to say the least and to be fair, he is conflicted.

"...I am a Christian.  So, I have a deep faith. So I draw from the Christian faith.  On the other hand, I was born in Hawaii where obviously there are a lot of Eastern influences. I lived in Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, between the ages of six and ten.

 

My father was from Kenya, and although he was probably most accurately labeled an agnostic, he was Muslim.

 

So, I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people. That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there's an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived..."

 

-Barack Obama

But even in light of his multi-cultural, multi-religious background it must be said that most other converts to Christianity -- including atheists, agnostics, Jews, pagans and other Muslims -- have always been able to distinguish and clarify the differences between Christianity and their former beliefs and/or those of their ancestors.

 

It also seems a fair assumption that if, to fundamental Muslims, Christians are infidels who must ultimately be converted or destroyed, those who renounce Islam in favor of conversion to Christianity must be uber-infidels. Case in point: Barack Hussein Obama.  Curiously, however, Obama never gets called a Great Satan by the most militant of Muslim fundamentalists.  Not by bin Laden, not by al-Zawahiri, not even by Ahmadinijad.

 

You'd think that his renouncement of Allah and his father's Islamic faith in favor of Jesus would have come up in the conversation by now.  You'd think that to Muslim extremists Obama, as a result of the power he has acquired, is the most dangerous infidel in the world.

 

Is it possible that, like a large number of Americans, many Muslims around the world also believe that Obama has their best interests at heart?  Is it possible that, as is believed by one in five Americans, the truth about Obama's religion has not been told in the Muslim world either?

 

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Being a Christian myself...and since he is our President....I prayed and got a fairly good word of wisdom...it seems kind of the umbrella which he operates under....that word is IMPULSIVE.  I personally believe it is emotional IMPULSIVENESS to each moment.  Now...that does not tie in w/Christian belief of telling the truth.  I do not know...how it relates to a Muslim outlook.

 

PhyllisBurgess

Palm Springs, CA Desert Sun


Who gives a damn? Really, why should we worry about his religion when we don't even know (for fact) where he was born. We know he's a socialist, that goes without saying. But why do you, Ed, care about his religion?

 

gas hog

Austin, TX American-Statesman

[Because it is a much talked-about current events topic and I like to weigh in on those matters -ED]


I too have a problem imagining what this man really thinks and who he really prays to at night. Does he pray on bended knee or at bended waist upon a prayer rug facing Mecca?

 

ITWASHERIDEA

Melbourne, FL  Florida Today


This is so beneath you. President Obama is a Christian and you know it. I am quite surprised that you of all people would stoop to such a low level...it is quite disappointing.

 

stephenA

Montgomery, AL Advertiser

[So the guy who regularly implies that I and other right-wingers are bigots with zero proof wants to throw the first stone? Better get another lefty ready in the bullpen. -ED]


I don't know why somebody would think ASKING AND WONDERING is to stoop low. When a person fails to recognize a TERRORIST organization (like Hamas) as a terrorist organization, when he celebrates the end of Ramadan with the celebratory dinner of ISLAM (two years in a row that he has been in office) when he makes excuses for a Muslim assassin at Ft Hood. I can continue on and on but yes there IS REASONABLE DOUBT about the Christianity of this President. The Intelligent question, the fools follow blindly......

 

Rocco0607

Montgomery, AL Advertiser


Not sure what he is, I'm not sure he knows. Under Muslim Law, his father was Muslim so he is... conversion is frowned upon. By American Standards he's technically a Christian, well taught by the good Reverend Wright.

 

Grumpyelder

Melbourne, FL  Florida Today

[I'm under-qualified to speak of Islamic law but I know that American Standard is a brand of crapper. So what are you trying to say? -ED]


Rumor has it that Obama worships at the International House of Pancakes.

 

Uncle Larry

Austin, TX American-Statesman


What difference does it really make what religion he follows, except to bigots who refuse to accept any one except right-wing Christian white Americans as truly American??  People who continue to harp on this subject do nothing but confirm the fact that they are bigots playing on and feeding more anti-Muslim bigotry.  Say what you want, but that's what this is all about.

 

phoenixlaw

Phoenix, AZ Arizona Republic

[His own lack of transparency and unwillingness to answer questions specifically is the 500 lb gorilla in the room but of course lefties blame it on conservative "bigots" because they have no factual leg to stand on. -ED]


The truth won't come out until 2012, when Hillary gets the Demo nod and he writes his first book on how he was Muslim and NOT American born....He'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

 

Bearalicious

Palm Springs, CA Desert Sun

[He better wear a good disguise if he plans to go to the bank by himself. There are many of us who would verbally make a walk down the street extremely unpleasant for your former Dear Leader. -ED]


Would anything other than what you want to hear satisfy you? It's like the birth certificate thing, I'm not certain that anything other than Obama coming on national television and resigning the presidency because he is secretly Kenyan or Indonesian would quiet folks down.

If he's so terrible and the American people are so disgusted with him, American democracy will do what it has done successfully for over two hundred twenty years, the door to the oval office will swing, and the man will be gone. Fearmongering aside (but who doesn't like a scary bedtime story for adults every once in a while), the system is messed up, but we still have the checks and balances in place to peacefully transfer power via elections.

In the meantime, to me this is a non-issue. He's in office, it's obvious that no amont of nibbling around his ankles will get rid of him, so let's wait for the democratic process to do what it has always done: legally, lawfully remove those who prove themselves unfit to serve.

I think there are two worries, either that donors will somehow buy a second term for him, or that the American people will ultimately judge him more worthy of staying in office than his opponent unseating him. The first we can take care of by actually doing something about interests purchasing our politicians (R,D, or even T) lock, stock, and barrel. The second we can take care of by actually running a candidate who is NOT the lesser of two evils.

Finally, as a strict constitutionalist I'm certain you are familiar with Article 6, paragraph three of the United States Constitution:

"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

As always, I like reading your posts. Thanks for continuing to contribute your voice to the dialog that is truly the root of American democracy!

JoeGee

Mansfield, OH News Journal

[First of all, this would be the furthest thing from my mind if it weren't so topical and if the Pew Poll results weren't being used so much by both sides of the political argument. Being so "transparent", Obama has brought these recurring questions (birth certificate, religion, college transcripts, health records) on himself. His refusal to answer them beyond a shadow of a doubt is what keeps them alive.  Furthermore, it goes to his truthfulness and his ability to both tell the truth and not to leave any of it out. This is certainly something that the Founding Fathers would be discussing before and after an election. Thanks for your continued readership. -ED]


The Americans that voted against the stranger and un-vetted Obama knew very well that the Majority will easily buy snake oil if put into the Mood.  Obama is giving America a free lesson that in times of "Manufactured" division racism and religious science that is fed to America by a media loyal to the left, It is very possible to elect a tyrant, America is learning how thin the ice really is in our country when leaders are elected as a result of constant degradation of our values by socialists and enemies of freedom.

 

archiefromcr

St. Cloud, MN Times


WOW Ed a lot of nads for tackling this one. Your assessment looks right on to me. One of my grandfathers was a Bolshevik and early Union organizer in the early iron mining days. Those that know me can tell you his legacy did not influence me. I also feel anyone who lumps the President's dad and him as one are wrong. But questions as to birth right (son of Muslim is Muslim) should be expected. Only 20% of Americans being uninformed numbskulls seems low to me. The new (2007) Birth certificate also leads some to questions. I have no questions and fully understand the lack of proof. Our President is just another story in the jumble mess of what makes America great. He is in many ways the quintessential American, something to be celebrated. His associations do indicate a Marxist slant in his politics; this seems logical for a person who also took it upon himself to organize in the socially dependent arena. What conclusions he drew from his life’s experiences only time will tell. For me, thus far, his continued pandering to the dependent masses (following the Party line), when he could have chosen to lead them out of bondage, was and is very disappointing. Buy hey; I thought President Carter would lead us away from dependency on foreign oil. Still waiting on the oil thing 33 years and 6 presidents later.

 

oscarthepig

Wausau, WI Daily Herald

[I think you've been studying the way your Dear Leader answers questions extemporaneously.  Good rant just the same. lol -ED]


Yeah, 20 years in a Racist hate filled church that preached Black Liberation Theology. Of course barry slept through the sermons. Then there is that early religious training.

 

USMC-1969

Melbourne, FL  Florida Today


Obama is a weak President.  But why the need to create false criticism that he is a "Marxist" and that he is a "Secret Muslim". 
He drinks alcohol, eats pork, attends a Christian church, has never performed a Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca), he married a Christian in a Christian ceremony.  If he is a Muslim then he is one hell of a poor job.  But you, Ed, see that as evidence of a closet Muslim.  Brilliant!  You cite from his book that he seems conflicted about his faith.  Most Christians suffer from this from time to time, if not constantly.  Pope John Paul II and Mother Theresa famously wrote about such conflicts.  Are they secret Muslims as well? I see many comments about his Marxists outlooks but if that is the case, then why is his entire economic team a group of hardcore, Wall Street, corporate crony capitalists?  Your analysis is truly empty of thought or research.

 

Dominic Ryan

Sartell, MN

[Your analysis of my analysis is pretty empty.  The quote I used was not from his book but from a 2004 interview (spontaneous, as I indicated).  While I absolutely opined that he is a Marxist I never said that he was a "Secret Muslim" and have only mentioned the current events story about the Pew Poll and the number of Americans who believe Obama is a Muslim.  Any capitalist who truly wants to advance capitalism would have remained on Wall Street or in the corporate world before jumping ship to be an Obama appointee for a huge cut in pay. -ED]


OK, a Christian > Muslim > Christian and I am not biting on his baited hook and never did. All one has to do is look at what he has physically done like bowing as well as verbally to see where his loyalty actually lies. Why should a 'Demigod' explain himself to anyone to include folks in his own party that would like an explanation??

 

boned

Great Falls, MT Tribune


Although the {Obama is a Muslim story} has not yet reached the epic level of a great hoax, perhaps it will someday fit in along with:

Ponzi was a straight shooter and stand-up guy

Enron is one great investment at any price

The Tower in Paris will be sold for scrap iron

The moon landings were filmed in Arizona

Lombago is a left-winger - maybe a Commie

 

mostlymalarkey

Wausau, WI Daily Herald

[The check's in the mail, malark. -ED]


Hey---you raise some pretty interesting issues.  Marxist vs religion.  You've really got a point there.  They can't go together.
But Iet me comment on his Islam and/or Christian beliefs.  I've read that in Islam---if the father believes in Islam than no matter what a male child will always be Muslim regardless of what he says.  It's like when I child is born to a Jewish mother---the child will always remain a Jew.  Good stuff.

 

Anonymous

Cathedral City, CA


You hit the nail right on the head!  The bad part is we still have a majority of democrats that are either too stupid to see him for what he is or they are marxist themselves & maybe even too dumb to know what the hell they are too??

 

Anonymous

Tucson, AZ


What difference does it make if he is a Muslim? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? I could not care less what the guy's religion is. Its people like you, eddo that give real conservatives like myself a bad name.

 

SFostere

St. Cloud, MN Times

[I never said he's a Muslim. I opined that, as a Marxist, it is doubtful that he has any religion and implied that his non-transparency about who he really is may have gone worldwide. Don't read like a lefty if you're a real conservative. -ED]


I have to tell you, the other 80% of us that know he isn't Muslim are really pretty convinced you guys are weak minded idiots...would actually question why you were convinced he was Christian but with a racist pastor and then later convinced by the same commentators that he was Muslim all along. Think for yourselves, what will they convince you of next? That he's a Taoist?

 

Rob in MO

[Read the piece carefully, then explain where I buy into either of the theories you cite. He's a Maoist, not a Taoist. -ED]


Why should we care? How about the fact tat more than one Moslem mullah has declared Jihad against the United Sates. How about the fact that the so-called peaceful Moslems worldwide celebrated by the tens of thousands, if not millions, at the murder of 3,000 innocent civilians on 9/11/01? Whether or not our President is one of these "moderate" Moslems is very relevant. Also relevant is whether or not he is a Christian, no matter what he, as an habitual liar, says. There is no question that Obama was born a Moslem under Sharia law.

 

ken454

Austin, TX American-Statesman

[He says "words matter". Well, the words he doesn't say matter too. -ED]


He's whatever religion he needs to be for political expediency at the time...his father was from Kenya, while he was born to that American woman (Kansas) in Hawaii. Does anybody else need a globe for that one? ...[and] the time he spent as a teenager being educated in his Moslem religion. So maybe he's a Christian now...sometimes and sometimes he's a Moslem. Based on the job he is doing, I hope he is praying to Two Gods. We all need it.

 

kingoftheroad

Wausau, WI Daily Herald


The Koran encourages believers in Islam to lie to the infidels.

Obama is the Muslim Mole in the White House. By his acts, not the words of his mouth, do you know him. That one-fifth of the country now understands this is encouraging to me.

I wonder how Michelle Antoinette will react to a Burkha if her husband succeeds in implementing Sharia law (you know, in the name of religious freedom and all that, can't deny the Muslims their right to put their laws above ours now, can we?)...perhaps some top European designer can make her one. I also wonder how she's going to feel about her husband taking other wives. Oh, that's right, she won't have a say in that, will she? Not under Sharia law.

 

novelator

Great Falls, MT Tribune


"Many Americans -- including a great number of journalists and commentators, of late -- question the president's religion or lack thereof..."


Herein lies the problem! It has never been so analyzed, and judged of any other President before Obama, why should it matter which religion or faith he chooses to practice, or if he practices any at all. He had that asked and answered those questions before he was elected, it's unpatriotic to criticize his beliefs now. Simply ill-minded rhetoric trying to sway the sheep their way is how I see it!

 

SuzieSeller

Palm Desert, CA

[You conveniently forgot that It was the same great number of so-called journalists who never bothered to ask any questions in the lead-up the last presidential election because they were so deep in the tank for Obama.  Had they done their vetting job and had they held his feet to the fire regarding his "transparency" we would not be discussing this topic now. -ED]


I think I have to agree with Ann Althouse http://althouse.blogspot.com/2010/08/its-sad-commentary-that-it-even-has-to.html  In the blog post on the other end of that link, she quotes some passages from Obama's book, "Dreams from my Father," that make him sound like he's not religious at all, but just uses religion as a tool to reach voters.

He's had some education in various different religions. I'm not sure that he believes in any of them. And for why it matters, again, I agree with Althouse: whether he's really a Christian matters because he said he is - so if he isn't, that means he lied.

 

Brom845

Wausau, WI Daily Herald


"I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people."
 

If Obama were a Christian, he would know that the ONLY way to Heaven is accepting Jesus as his savior & if Obama is a Christian he would know that & be willing to stand up & say that...unashamedly & without his usual ambiguity. My personal opinion is that his religion is all about him...his ideas, his opinions, his thoughts, his plans about where to take this country & has nothing to do with a "higher power".

 

msfearless

Melbourne, FL  Florida Today


Jews, Christians and Moslems all pray to the same God? Tell that to a Moslem!! They don't agree. I spent a few years in the middle east and they don't believe they are the same.

Government workforce is growing.  I work in that industry. The sick part is he is taking government contractors with unionized labor and converting those people to government employees (while reducing their pay to the tune of about $9K per year). The real crapper is, the people technically get laid off first and then get hired back and abra cadabra..."jobs created or saved." It's a scam and the rest of the country is finally picking up on it.

 

kingoftheroad

Wausau, WI Daily Herald

[People started "picking up on" the created/saved scam when the unemployment rate kept holding steady from month to month after your Dear Leader and Joe the Schmuck kept telling them about the millions of jobs they had created/saved. Then there's the even bigger "think how bad it would have been had we not thrown all that money at it" scam - ED]


Just how stupid can we be? A Republican Governor holds up President Obama's official birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii. Two Hawaiian newpapers, at the time of his birth, announce this birth in Hawaii. And yet, the Glenn Beck's, Rush Limbaugh's, and Hannity's of the world play "us" like puppets! 20-some percent of Americans BELIEVE he WASN'T born in the USA? So funny. Doesn't it ever occur to "us" to take 5 minutes to find the truth??? You guys & gals (TV talking heads and Bloggers) must die laughing at how easy it is to fool the most of us. You know the story: If it's said or printed, it must be true. Lord help us! Hey, did you know Obama is secretly has five wives? And... his plans for building a mosque on the moon.....

 

Don

Millbrook, AL

[How stupid can we be? We elected a totally unqualified person to be our president on a one-word slogan with zero vetting by the media of any of his past life and by only the "facts" of his own memoir because he gave us his word that he would be the most transparent person in the world.  Five wives and a mosque on the moon is about as believable as anything else he's ever said.  Therefore, the larger question is: How stupid canYOU be?  Because I had absolutely nothing to do with this stupidity? -ED]


 

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